Farm Today barn
 Top  Five  Ag  Exports  in  PA
Milk and other dairy products

Poultry and eggs

Nursery, greenhouse, floriculture, and sod

Cattle and calves

Hogs and pigs

 

 Financial  Services  
 

 Recent  Trends  in  Agriculture  
 

 Agricultural  Directory  
 

 Mailing  List  Archives
 

farm land for sale

feeding operations

backgrounding facility planning

strawberries how to raise

fruit trees

olin sims

crape myrtle

leyland cyprus

fairfax strawberries

dwarf citrus trees

plum pox disease

wheat diseases in pennsylvania

feeder steer prices

flowering bradford pear

how to prune a jasmine vine

drying gourds

planting strawberries

tomato blossom drop

sonic bloom

drying goards

gleening crops

bioaerosols and livestock odor

dwarf oleander

cocoa hull mulch

crab farming

john deere

avian flu

plum trees

lime fertilizer

feeding lots

farming practices

chronic wasting disease

mad cow disease

amyrillis bulbs

leyland cyprus spittle bugs

christmas cactus

pictures of sheep

crape myrtle winter

peach leaf curl

spittle bugs

strawberries in Idaho

chigger elimination

locating livestock facilities

dwarf milo

msds and shrimp shell

chicken manure

search your own discussions

iowa pork industry

lonicera kamchatika

lefse plant

leyland cypress

willie ray doshier

plant genetics

corn detasseling

leyland cyprus trees

bouganvilla pests

 

 Search  Categories  
Animals
Environmental
Field Crops
Forestry
Genetics
Horticulture
Pests and Diseases
Practices and Systems
Software
Soils
Sustainability
Insurance

 

From: FW Owen (graze-l_at_witt.ac.nz)
Date: 06/12/04


Hi Folks,

Cow size isn't much of an issue.  In my opinion, it doesn't 
make any significant difference.  Fat and protein 
percentage in the milk are the real issue between breeds.

Obviously the two most successful of the 5 major dairy 
breeds are Jerseys and Holsteins.  Which happen to be the 
smallest and largest breeds.

I'm going to ramble on a little about cow size related and 
Jersey vs Holstein:

---

Some for what we think is a size advantage of the smaller 
Jerseys might really be a personality advantage.  Accept 
for "snap" kicking they generally behave better.

For example, If you push a Jersey sideways (so you can 
access her udder) she is likely to move over in a ladylike 
manner.

If you do the same to a Holstein, she is likely to surge 
back and tramp on your foot using most of her size 
advantage.

---

Calving ease was mention by someone as related to size.

I don't believe that it is related to size...it's related to 
stupidity and ..... cow proportions.

Calving ease bulls is an ideal marketing concept in that the 
concept is self fullfilling ... narrow pelvis cows.

The concept was originally conceived by the bull studs as a 
way to sell more semen from some of the less popular sires.

Eventually it became institualized and is now widely 
accepted as a best or recommended practice.

But at the time, it was regarded by most as somewhat 
comical.  At the time we didn't think the bulls stud guys 
were developing a marketing concept, we just thought they 
were desperate for money.

We never used calving ease bulls and never suffered for it.  
We did the opposite...bred for wide rumps.

You don't need calving ease bulls if you don't use them.

If you DO use calving ease bulls, you HAVE to use them more 
and more.

The logical way to avoid calving problems is to select for 
wide rumps so there is room for the calf to exit.  A wide 
rumped adult pelvis is portportionally much wider than a 
wide rumped infant pelvis.

By the way, the concept of pushing Crisco in around the calf  
(and waiting for it to melt) is a heck of a lot more 
valuable than the calving ease concept.

---

Within the Holstein breed, the big cows win at the shows and 
also get stuck in the free stalls.

Those are my two main personal issues with cow size.  My 
solution to the conflict, of course, is to tear out the 
free stall partitions. <grin>

---

The best cows I ever owned were the absolute worst cows in 
the herds they came from, mostly on account of size.

I used to buy "gutter" cows out of eastern Ontario.  The 
barns and stalls were small in that area ... quite a bit 
smaller than in western Ontario.

This was the result of seasonal calving and a tradition of 
feeding very little grain.  Grain was scarce there.  The 
Scots in there counted out oat hulls to the cows like they 
were dollar bills.

The cows were just naturally smaller there, because seasonal 
and low grain reduce mature stature of cows.  The barns in 
eastern Ontario reflected generations of that management 
style.

Seasonal calving persisted longer in that area than anywhere 
else in North America.  It persisted in isolated corners of 
eastern Ontario into the early 70's when it was killed off 
by the new quota system, or maybe because the seasonal 
graziers just got too old to continue milking.

A typical "gutter" cow from eastern Ontario was a Rockdale 
President (or similiar), that was so big she laid with her 
udder in the gutter.  These "gutter" cows were always 
armour-plated with shit, had dinged hocks, wouldn't milk, 
and hardly ever showed any sign of heat in the barn season.

They were worthless in that environment.

I bought those cheap.  The sellers were darn grateful.  Back 
in Ohio, on a loose pack, those huge cows bloomed and made 
tremendous show cows and great milk cows.

With regard to their milk production, their environment was 
infinitely more important than either their size or milk 
production genetics.

By the way, I think any cow can be made into a high 
producer, even those by minus bulls.  It's just a matter of 
finding the "key" to unlock them.

Of course, in today's dairy world, nobody is looking for the 
"keys" to those special cows.  They just get shipped.

---

Jersey's take more barn space and more labor per pound of 
milk than Holsteins.

Even though the Jersy stalls are smaller than the Holstein 
stalls, you will find that the extra number needed (to 
produce the same number of pounds of milk) will result in a 
much larger and more expensive barn.  Do the arithmetic and 
you will see what I mean.

You also have to put the milking machine on many more times, 
with Jerseys than with Holsteins, to get the same amount of 
milk.

I grant that these considerations are less important 
nowadays with more equitable milk pricing.

But these considerations were once very important.  And so 
obvious, in those earlier years,  that (back then) Holstein 
breeders could hardly believe that the Jerseys guys were 
such gluttons for punishment.

-- 
Kindest regards,

=======================
F. W. Owen
Owenlea Holsteins
9430 Spencer Road
Homerville, Ohio 44235
e-mail fwo@bright.net
home page http://www.bright.net/~fwo
voice & fax 330.625.2369
=======================

Headlines via AgMetaSearchsm ..





FarmToday, The Internet Home for Today's Farmers.. (sm)

Copyright © 2008 Creative Business Concepts
All Rights Reserved





Get Adobe Reader Get Microsoft Office





Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Pennsylvania


Dauphin County Edition

Zip Code:  
The zipcode value determines localized news and weather content.
Clear
Current Conditions in
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

Weather Advisories

Last Updated:10:56 PM EST December 2, 2008
Conditions:Clear
Temperature:27° F
Wind Chill:27° F
Humidity:81%
Dew Point:22° F
Wind:North at 0 MPH
Pressure:30.22 Inches
Visibility:10.0 Miles
Sun Rise:07:12 AM
Sun Set:04:41 PM
Moon Rise:10:59 AM
Moon Set:09:02 PM


U.S. Department of Agriculture

Weekly Weather and Crop Bulletin



paper clip

 Hunters Enticed By Airport's Deer

 Harrisburg, Wild Mustangs Up For Adoption

 New Farm Bill Draws Heavy Backing From National Farm Organizations

 Daybreak Update 8/21/2007

 Farm Group Says Officers Need Extra Help In Animal-cruelty Probes

 Porn Fighter

 Township Pays To Have Dogs Scare Geese From Scott Park

 Open Space Loopholes

 Dry Weather Affecting Crops

 Totino's, Jeno's Pizzas Linked To E. Coli Outbreak - Eight Cases Reported In Tennessee


paper clip

 State Conservation Districts Meet In Estes Park

 Fort Benton Horse Breeder Believes In Functionality Of Quarter Horses

 China Organic Agriculture Names Veteran Financial Executive Weihong XIA As New Chief Financial Officer

 Instant Parma

 Menus Feature Raw Food Plus Trend Predictions And Online Ordering Guide

 Latest Alabama News

 Montana Rancher Testifies Against Federal Water Jurisdiction

 The Cupboard Is Bare: Salem's Food Pantries Cope With Record-breaking Demand

 New Road Signs Denote Arroyo Colorado Watershed

 Matric's Using Distillers Grains Book Available Online


paper clip


RSS



Site Map

More Links