Dick,
Last week I talked with Karen Sullivan. She informed me that the NY GLCI
was working with an economic development outfit in the north part of NY. If
you gave Karen a call she might be able to get you lined out.
Pet Deal
Florida USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard and Carol Conklin" <jaka@vermontel.net>
To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Graze-l] Mr. Corn Silage
> Pete, You've just reproduced, virtually word for word, a 'lecture' I
> recently got from 32 yrold daughter! 'Dad, no one on this planet gets to
> enjoy milk as good as what you produce here. Why don't you market it
> privately?' Scarey challenge, Pete--I have no idea how to do it, and I'd
> have to do an embarassing 'about-face' on my honest beliefs about the best
> tactic to produce financial profitability in dairy farming. Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Deal" <sumdume@gator.net>
> To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Graze-l] Mr. Corn Silage
>
>
>> Dick,
>>
>> You keep banging your drum but nothing changes. I strongly disagree with
>> you about the reason dairy folks do not want to unionize. The fact is
> that
>> they see the enormous trap that they will get into. The trap has three
>> jaws.
>>
>> The first set of jaws to bite the dairy producer will be the reduction in
>> per farm output that will certainly accompany any dairy union. The
>> reduction will be needed to get the attention of the processors. This
> will
>> require producers to dump milk down the drain and may turn into
>> production
>> quotas.
>>
>> If the union is based on the honor system the next set of jaws will snap
>> shut as soon as the first person sees that prices are high enough and
> sells
>> outside of the union. At this point others will start to follow. It
>> will
>> be a trickle at first and turn into a flood. The folks who stand with
>> the
>> union until its death will suffer huge financial losses.
>>
>> The last set of jaws will slam shut if the union becomes a governmental
>> program that forces producers to bend to the unions might. This scenario
>> will certainly include quotas. And like most government programs it will
> be
>> poorly managed. The management will not suffer because of dumb
>> government
>> workers. No, it will suffer because of inadequate staffing and political
>> meddling.
>>
>> Regardless of the presence or absence of a union the government will slap
>> the dairy industry hard when milk prices get to the level that low income
>> consumers can't afford it.
>>
>> In my opinion you will be better served by improving how you market your
>> product and quit relying on others to market it for you. If I understand
>> things correctly you are currently selling your milk to a coop. The coop
>> then has the responsibility to find buyers for the commodity. If you
>> developed a line of products based on the excellence of your product you
>> stand a better chance of being financially rewarded. Others have done
>> it.
>> Why can't you?
>>
>> Just some thoughts, no offense intended.
>>
>> Pete Deal
>> Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard and Carol Conklin" <jaka@vermontel.net>
>> To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Graze-l] Mr. Corn Silage
>>
>>
>> > And Dave, Both NZ and US farmers are doing what works best for them.
> Down
>> > side?--US farmers are too stupid to organize and block the tons of milk
>> > powder arriving here daily from NZ, which destroys our price. Dick
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Gneisers" <bonniedave@dotnet.com>
>> > To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [Graze-l] Mr. Corn Silage
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >If one were feeding silage and increasing the cow numbers per acre
> even
>> > if
>> >> >the N in urine were lower compared to pasture only, with more cows
>> >> >and
>> >> >therefore more urine wouldn't the total N from urine be higher with
> the
>> >> >supplemental feeding program?
>> >> >
>> >> >Just wondering.
>> >> >
>> >> >Gene Schriefer
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Certainly any higher stocking rate per acre will also have higher
>> > excretion
>> >> per acre. But a danger also lurks as some Kiwis have experienced
>> >> soil
>> >> compaction with more hoofs per acre.
>> >>
>> >> If Kiwi dairymen calculate their bragging rights in milk per hectacre,
>> > then
>> >> it doesn't appear to be much different than US dairymen calculating
> based
>> >> upon high herd averages. Each system has its blessings and its
> curses.
>> >>
>> >> Excessive urea use to grow pastures in NZ has some Kiwi fishermen
>> > concerned
>> >> about N run-off into their streams. Some enviro-wackos in the US
>> >> freak
>> >> everytime they see a manure spreader. Different strokes.
>> >>
>> >> Dave G.
>> >>
>> >>
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