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Dave F, I still don't understand why Dave G and Dick C are forced to endure
major, negative price swings at the convenience of our 'processors'? Have
you ever had the opportunity to share thoughts with kids? Over 75 kids/year
come here to learn about rotational grazing-- they'd all love to farm, but
the common question--'Mr.Conklin, How can we make any money?' Dick
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From: "Dave Forgey" <forgraze@carrollnet.org>
To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
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> Dave G said-----
> We didn't just threaten. CWT killed cows. Instead, we needed to use
> tariffs and quotas to make sure imports no longer created an oversupply.
> Bank loan officers loan to farms based upon many factors. Milk price
> stability would be one screaming reason a loan would be repaid.
>
> In my opinion the killing of cows had better only be a short term fix
> else we look bad. But it did quickly bring reality to processors as to
> what dairymen could do. Several factors actually played a part. With the
> Canadian border closed to import of heifers and New Zealand in a bad
> year and most importantly our soft dollar, processors found that we
> won't let even 1/2% of over production reduce our price.
> Still, a consistent price breeds inefficiencies and actually bankers
> today want to help producers who can be profitable even in tight times
> (i.e.. 2002 & 2003) if they were profitable then, they will repay or
> expand when things are good (2004 & maybe 2005)
> Tariffs and Quotas take away our ability to be good and get better.
> (i.e. I have friends from Canada who now milk cows in the US)
>
> >
> >Yes but the permitting process here in Indiana will be following the
> examples of other states east of the Mississippi soon.
>
> Kind of shooting ourselves in the foot, similar to the US not building
> any new oil refineries and limited oil exploration, then wondering how
> we became dependant upon foreigners for oil. I have no problem with
> large dairies provided they manage the manure.
>
> I have no problems with large dairies either, but many farmers do. (i.e.
> a recent challenge for a new dairy permit in Indiana had lots of farmers
> supporting the environmental groups position).
> We need the current higher oil prices to force us to develop alternative
> fuels. It will satisfy environmentalists and help farmers in the
> process.
> >
> >You sound defeated before you start. That's not the way we built this
> country nor how it will stay strong.
>
> Dave, I'm a businessman above all else. I crunch the numbers, examine
> the risks, look for payback upon investment. I enjoyed milking cows
> but no matter how low I cut costs, taxes, fuel, labor, utilities all
> increase while the milk price doesn't stay high enough, long enough to
> counter the lows.
>
> (i.e. read again what I said above)
>
> As the world has developed we are work more in a World economy We
> develop what we produce competitively and progress from there. New
> Zealand has worked their dairy system to compete well there and they
> added the level of marketing to even market for the world. Why are they
> selling US dry products to other countries? Dave Forgey
> >
> This is where the US needs to start thinking outside the box. The
> global trade theory was based upon cheap oil to move products. We don't
> have cheap oil anymore. Further, if NZ dairy prices paid to their
> farmers is supposed to be an inspiration, it ain't. Global trade is a
> spiral down process where everyone struggles for the privilage of being
> low bidder.
> DFA-Fonterra are probably the worst thing to happen to farmers since
> Jimmy Carter imposed the grain embargo.
>
> Dave G.
>
> Those high oil prices are what will give us our advantage. It was the
> highly valued US dollar that took jobs overseas and returned cheap
> products that were produced on another country's low valued dollar. Now
> Dave G. tell me where your really coming from, "the grain embargo was
> bad" but you don't want any NZ dairy products here?????????
> Dave Forgey
>
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