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<font size=3D3>Below are links regarding cafeteria style minerals to =
show
livestock can not &quot;balance&quot; their own mineral
imbalance.<br><br>
Another note would be why did people get &quot;scurvy&quot; when
traveling by ship in the 1400-1500s?&nbsp; Why do animals consume
poisonous/toxic plants [if they can select their proper 
diet]?<br><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://a
g.arizona.edu/gila/animalsciences/rangecow_research.html"=
>
http:
//ag.arizona.edu/gila/animalsciences/rangecow_research.html><br>
</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.das.psu
.edu/Nutrient/pdf/freechoicemins.pdf">
http://www.das.
psu.edu/Nutrient/pdf/freechoicemins.pdf><br><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www
.saltinstitute.org/publications/stm/stm-mar-2004.pdf">
http://
www.saltinstitute.org/publications/stm/stm-mar-2004.pdf>&nbsp;
[see page 2, Nutrient Selection it also includes 10 other
references]<br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.saltinstitute.org/st
mfaqs.html">
http://www.saltinstitute.org
/stmfaqs.html> [you will need to
&quot;highlight&quot; the entire page to show the 
&quot;hidden&quot;
text&quot;]<br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.vigortone.com/G
razing_Ruminants.htm">
http://www.vigortone.co
m/Grazing_Ruminants.htm> [included at the end
about 75 scientific journal articles as references]<br><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://
www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/dairy/extension/nut00030.pdf=
">
http
://www.uky.edu/Ag/AnimalSciences/dairy/extension/nut00030.pdf><br&g
t;=

<br>
<a href=3D"http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/beef/ec277
.htm">
http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/beef/ec
277.htm><br><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://a
nimalscience.tamu.edu/ANSC/publications/horsepubs/hrg017-=
fdmgmtpoints.pdf">
http://animalscience.tamu.edu/ANSC/publications/horsepubs/hrg017-fdmgmtpo=
ints.pdf</a>
 [Go to page 5 and see reference #8]<br><br>
I hope these are sufficient.<br><br>
Gary<br><br>
At 05:01 PM 4/14/2006 +1000, AgriSolutions wrote:<br>
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<font size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">Hello Gary,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thank you for expressing your opinion on this topic by referring to the
experiences you have had.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I know of thousands of people who use the free choice principles to
maintain animal health and with great success. They seldom refer to
veterinarians, professors, scientists and cooperative extension officers
but simply ask their animals what they need. Even carnivores such as the
pet or farm dog will eat vegetative substances when they need to if =
given
the choice, but this is not considered the norm by many people.&nbsp;
Farm managers I work with turn off several thousand head of cattle a =
year
and they ask only the cattle for their requirements by making available =
a
range of minerals based on soil and foliar analysis. Any excess minerals
are excreted and used to mineralize the soil for future use, and this is
part of a long term plan to build fertility across the farm (it is also =
a
natural process in the wild which maintains fertility for future
generations of livestock.) The obvious differences between these and
neighbouring farms has to be seen to be understood and appreciated. =
These
farms are highly successful as they top the market with their stock and
have no need to refer to the wisdom of the professionals to which you
refer. That wisdom rests with the stock and a farming system being
modeled as far as is practicable on natural processes.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
One has to ask how animals ever managed in the wild to survive to this
day without man=92s intervention if they did not have the innate ability =
to
select feed based on their requirements at the time. It is high time =
that
the well educated looked to the natural systems to learn how to best
apply that knowledge instead of trying to recreate the wheel with all =
the
flaws built into it by the reductionist process of research and its
interpretation.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Have a great Easter,<br>
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color=3D"#000080">
&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">Gerhard <br>
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color=3D"#000080">
&nbsp;<br>
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color=3D"#000080">&nbsp;<br>
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<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D2><b>From:</b> 
graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz
[<a href=3D"mailto:graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz">
mailto:graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary
Veserat<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 14 April 2006 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> graze-l@witt.ac.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SPAM] - Re: [SPAM] - RE: [Graze-l] Cu, S, and 
Ca/Mg for
beef and sheep - Email found in subject - Email found in subject<br>
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size=3D3>&nbsp;<br>
Mr. Grasser and all,<br><br>
There has been substantial NEGATIVE research on providing
&quot;individual&quot; minerals and vitamins (cafeteria style) to
livestock so that they can balance their own 
requirements/needs.<br><br>
It is <b><u>not</u></b> true that they can balance 
their own needs OR
requirements by selecting the individual correct mineral or in the
correct amount.&nbsp; It is especially not true when the requirement is
in PPM (parts per million =3D i.e. one blade of grass in an American
football grass field).<br><br>
It is especially difficult for the animals to balance their own
requirements/needs when the mineral tastes like #?$*&amp;%.&nbsp; The
livestock will not consume it.&nbsp; AND on the other side, when the
mineral/vitamin is very palatable (i.e. Vit A), then you can go broke
supplying or feeding it.<br><br>
In the late 1970's and early 1980's there was a company in the U.S. that
claimed by providing minerals, cafeteria style - they could satisfy =
their
own requirements.&nbsp; They are no longer in business to my
knowledge.<br><br>
And the best barometer for mineral status of any livestock is to conduct
Liver Biopsies of a representative sample of the herd or flock while =
they
have been grazing (for several months) on the range/paddock that =
supplies
their forage/nutrition.<br><br>
IIt is not best to only sample a single animal that died or the barren
heifer that you have been feeding &quot;brought in or truck in&quot;
supplied grain or feed&nbsp; The reason being is that feed may already =
be
&quot;fortified&quot; with minerals/vitamins or came from or was grown =
in
an area that was adequate or had high levels of a particular
mineral.<br><br>
Be cautious and ask questions of scientists, veterinarians, professors,
cooperative extension specialists if you have been told something that =
is
hard to believe.<br><br>
Gary<br><br>
At 10:16 AM 4/14/2006 +1000, AgriSolutions wrote:<br>
Hello Ann,<br><br>
I recommend the Pat Coleby ideas to many clients and friends who
manage<br>
animals with the proviso that they have to understand what the
likely<br>
mineral deficiencies are in the environment in which the animals grow.
<br><br>
If their diet is limited in any of the trace and basic elements (you
can<br>
check by soil or foliar testing of pasture), they will seek these in<br>
whatever form can be readily obtained. I suggest the use of the
ingredients<br>
she suggests (copper sulphate, sulphur, salt, dolomite, seaweed
meal)but<br>
that they be made available as separate items so that the stock can
select<br>
what they want when they want it. There have been times I know of
where<br>
liver copper toxicity has been a problem because the animal has taken
the<br>
mix and ingested more copper than it required. It was most likely
needing<br>
more seaweed meal than the copper but found itself being poisoned by
the<br>
imbalance.<br><br>
In short, check the background mineral status in your area and of
the<br>
brought in feed and make the individual ingredients available
free-choice.<br><br>
Best regards,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Gerhard Grasser<br>
&nbsp;<br>
(Hon) Secretary, Organic Federation of Australia<br>
Chair, Traders &amp; Intermedaries Advisory Board, OFA
<a href=3D"http://www.ofa.org.au/">www.ofa.org.au
</a> <br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
AgriSolutions Pty Ltd<br>
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PO Box 81<br>
Darnum VIC 3822<br>
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Phone 03 5627 8663<br>
Fax&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 03 5627 8663 (by 
arrangement)<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz [
<a href=3D"mailto:graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz">
mailto:graze-l-admin@witt.ac.nz</a>] On Behalf<br>
Of Ann Tiplady &amp; John Sease<br>
Sent: Friday, 14 April 2006 3:42 AM<br>
To: graze-l@witt.ac.nz<br>
Subject: [Graze-l] Cu, S, and Ca/Mg for beef and sheep<br><br>
Anyone have any experience with using high Cu and/or S mineral mixes =
such
as<br><br>
suggested by Pat Coleby, for beef or sheep?<br><br>
She recommends using dolomite as part of the mix, or sometimes offering
<br>
plain dolomite.&nbsp; Anyone have any experience with this?&nbsp; Is
there a special <br>
form of dolomite, or should I just buy something at a garden shop?&nbsp;
Will <br>
your animals eat it?<br><br>
thanks, Ann<br>
Vermont<br><br>
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