On 5/6/06 2:16 PM, "Dave Gneiser" <bonniedave@dotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cut subsidies and there would not be surpluses
>
>
> Without a price floor, you loose infastructure. Without a price floor,
> marketing is just a spiral down to the bottom where nobody survives.
Nobody??? How can you write such deceptive tripe. New Zealand and Australia
don�t have floor prices and are not going out of dairying at the rate US
farmers are and are not whining like you are.
> The US is a dairy deficit country.
Yet you begrudge the small amount NZ sells you.
>We have no surpluses to dump. The milk
> powder you see on the market was created when your MPC displaced that
> domestic milk in the cheese vats.
Dave you should look at your own countries� figures before trying to push
your barrow. The last figures I found showed that US exported 2 b (dumped
because it was subsidised) and imported 1 b in one year.
USA government gave Georgia tonnes free two years ago and sold to Mexico at
half the price thay paid you for it. All you changing ground can�t get away
from the fact that your system in like Russia�s and China�s - paying
producers.
>> 1. Sea freight costs in the larger and larger and faster ships has
hardly
>> increased in 25 years and is about half as much as from LA to your
east so
>> are you going to start a campaign against land movement?
>
> That will change. The price effects of continued $70 per barrel oil with
> grind slowly until it wears a big hole in freight.
You�ve been preaching that for ages and you�re still wrong. Work on facts
not wishful thinking.
>> 2. What New Zealand exports is at the producers� cost and the
countries�
>> buying prices and they don�t have to buy it, except that surveys I�ve
done
>> in shops showed that shop keepers liked to sell New Zealand products
>> because
>> the quality was consistently high with NO comebacks by customers.
>
> Bull, there is no NZ cheese featured in our stores because you export
> generic cheese, MPCs and other components.
USA is not our only market (the surevy I did was in UK) and if our beef and
dairy products were not so good your buyers would not buy all we can supply.
> Oh I have done my research. You claimed it was the Aussies that were
> killing the US milk price.
I did not �claim� that. I told you that they have import concessions above
ours by a long way, but you show your childish hate for, and jealousy of New
Zealand.
>Well the Aussies are dealing with another
> severe drought so there will be little export from them on the market.
Wrong as usual. Australia is a massive country and seldom has a national
drought, and like New Zealand has very hard working industrious farmers.
New Zealand exports to all the countries that Australia does.
> Now you wonder why grass-fed and rotational grazing has a hard time getting
> established here in USA? Well, US grazers are up against Uruguay
> (approximately the size of Oklahoma but 87% of the nation is cattle farms.)
> US imports of fresh and frozen Uruguay beef have a 20,000 mt TRQ. Of
this,
> 80% is lean trimmings (translation, blended with US meat to make
> hamburger.)
Because your grain fed beef is too soft. USA buys ours for the same reason.
Get grazing man.
> Last year, Uruguayan beef importers paid the US Treasury nearly $100
million
> in over-quota tariffs.
How much did we pay? $13,000 per New Zealand dairy farmer of which there are
12,000 which is $156 m and your goods come into New Zealand virtually
duty-free.
> Vaughan............yup, they gladly paid tariffs for access to US markets.
> Meanwhile you Kiwis whine, whine, whine.
Dave you must have one hell of a personal problem to go on and on whining
about the world being against you. Take that holiday I suggested.
>
> Dave G.
Best wishes,
Vaughan Jones
Waikato
Hamilton
New Zealand
