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Well said Wiliam.
For two years I haven=B9t read Gneisner garbage, but reading replies I can
tell he is still trying to do what he set out to do which is to destroy
graze-l in the hope that the childish one he started will succeed. Gneisner
has caused more resignations than anything (I doubt any New Zealanders are
left) which is his aim and in doing so he shows his negativeness, his chip
on his shoulder and his complete disregard for the facts.
Accusing Brad of what he does and Brad doesn=B9t is disgraceful.
I=B9d hoped that Gneisner mature, but people don=B9t change.
Vaughan Jones
Hamilton
New Zealand
From: William Burgess <williamburgess@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:15:09 +1300
To: <graze-l@witt.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: hay costs
Dave
You talk so much crap on this forum and start arguments that have no
merit what so ever. Brad is a successful large grass based dairy
farmer and you raise a few dairy heifers, give me a break. To much of
information related to pasture based dairy farming coming from the US
is mostly peoples personal opinion which unfortunately is difficult to
quantify and evaluate. There is great opportunity for grass based
dairy farms in US and some people are already taking advantage this as
we speak. Dave you should spend less time talking and more time
asking questions on this forum as it seems to me you have a great deal
to learn.
As I see it, a lot US dairy farmers went to grazing because they were
not making any money as confinement dairy farmers and read a few
articles on grazing and decided to give it a try. You seem to fit in
this category as a wannabe grazer with just enough knowledge to make
yourself look foolish.
By the way Dave I have a few questions for you,
1. What is your grazing rotation length right now, next month and
your balance date when supply =3D demand?
2. How much on avg do you grow a year in DM of grass, what % do you
utilize and what equation do you use on your plate meter during the
season?
3. What kind of protein %, ME ,ADF and NDF do you see during the year.
4. What are your post and pre-grazing heights that you try to achieve?
3. What is you stocking rate and how did you come to this and why?
These are the type of questions we should be asking on this forum not
attacking successful farmers that are kind enough to give us input
that we can use for our operations. Give it a try Dave.
William Burgess
